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Marg
Thursday, 26 January 2012 14:04:31 GMT

I'll start1. Blogger or not?
2. iPhone or Android? iPhone
3. Lefty or Righty? Righty
4. Are you considered working class, middle class or upper class (be honest). Grew up middle but have turned working. It's very confusing sometimes to myself and my friends.
5. What are your ancestor's country/ies of origin? Solidly English/Scots/Irish and a tad German which nobody likes to acknowledge.

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O'Nolan
Thursday, 26 January 2012 14:08:57 GMT

I'm in...1. Blogger or not? Nope
2. iPhone or Android? Neither
3. Lefty or Righty? Righty
4. Are you considered working class, middle class or upper class (be honest) Working class, definitely!
5. What are your ancestor's country/ies of origin? Ireland, Wales, Poland, France, Germany. I'm an immigrant or native everywhere I go. =]

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Shell
Thursday, 26 January 2012 14:38:08 GMT

Mine1. Blogger or not? Actually I kind of am now :O
2. iPhone or Android? Android, it's new
3. Lefty or Righty? Right handed, left wing views

4. Are you considered working class, middle class or upper class (be honest) Middle class
5. What are your ancestor's country/ies of origin? Really varied, Kerry and Cork

Although I've been told I look eastern european and native American, make sense of that!

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O'Nolan
Thursday, 26 January 2012 14:54:01 GMT

er...tha ? on class...we are now 'working class' but got here from middle class. Older artists don't have it easy here, ha.

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Dr. R
Thursday, 26 January 2012 15:08:49 GMT

because its fun1. Blogger or not? Not
2. iPhone or Android? Neither
3. Lefty or Righty? Righty, but way left politically
4. Are you considered working class, middle class or upper class (be honest)- grew up working, but my education has put me in middle
5. What are your ancestor's country/ies of origin? Ireland, Germany, maybe U.K.

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vic
Thursday, 26 January 2012 16:05:00 GMT

ipads can stay in backpacks through airport security!LIST
1. Blogger or not?
2. iPhone or Android. IPhone go apple!
3. Lefty or Righty? Right
4. Are you considered working class, middle class or upper class (be honest) middle but just found out I'm in the 1% of the world! Over$ 34,000 year puts ya there

. ??
5. What are your ancestor's country/ies of origin?
england,Ireland,France, Germany

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RobC
Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:17:48 GMT

OK so1. Blogger or not? Not really
2. iPhone or Android? Android, reformed Iphone user
3. Lefty or Righty? Left everything

4. Are you considered working class, middle class or upper class (be honest): I'm going working class because earlier caught myself whistling the Lambeth walk as I went.

5. What are your ancestor's country/ies of origin? Ireland all the way.Kilkenny and Monaghan if you go back aways.. You Americans all Mongrels yeah??

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chrism
Thursday, 26 January 2012 17:31:30 GMT

try this for size1. Blogger or not? i write posts as a travel diary, whenever i'm anywhere that's not here, and pop them online when i'm home. don't really tell anyone about them so it's just for my own satisfaction/memory!

2. iPhone or Android? neither but i'm due an upgrade soon and i think i'll go for an android.

3. Lefty or Righty? right (on)

4. Are you considered working class, middle class or upper class (be honest) these labels mean so many different things to different people so the definition i would use is marx's and by that i'm currently a prole (or i would claim so - my phd might say middle class but my insecure work status says working class). bad news for nolan though, by my (or karl's) definition you're middle class since you are running a small business selling your art!

5. What are your ancestor's country/ies of origin? only scottish as far back as i can tell. my mum's dad used to tell her that his family came over from ireland during the famine, but with a resolutely lowland scots name if that is true they must have been recent migrants who scurried off home when the going got tough.

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nika
Thursday, 26 January 2012 18:18:24 GMT

well1. Blogger or not?
No, can't really see myself having a time for it to be honest, though would be into doing a food blog!

2. iPhone or Android?
Blackberry?

..kinda wish I had gone for the iPhone now after buying an ipad

3. Lefty or Righty?
Right handed

4. Are you considered working class, middle class or upper class (be honest)
middle class I guess..

5. What are your ancestor's country/ies of origin?

Italy, Germany from my dad's side and I think my mum's distant family is from Russia..

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Buffy
Friday, 27 January 2012 0:19:42 GMT

Right1. Blogger or not?
Not.

2. iPhone or Android?
Blackberry? I have an ancient Nokia that doesn't even have a camera on it. I despise phone companies and try my best never to use my phone.

3. Lefty or Righty?
Right handed.

4. Are you considered working class, middle class or upper class (be honest). Hmm. I hate these labels. In respect of the be honest request only - I guess from the perspective of others I'd be considered middle or maybe even upper-middle class because of the size and location of my parents and grandparents homes. But they have been with us for generations and we are nowt but teachers and farmers.

5. What are your ancestor's country/ies of origin? We're Irish for centuries back, but before that mum's family was French and Dad's were sheep stealers from Scotland... or sons of Niall of the Nine Hostages. We haven't figured it out yet. Either way, long enough ago to no longer matter.

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O'Nolan
Friday, 27 January 2012 3:34:58 GMT

er, er...ya meant right or left handed, right Marg? Right for the hand, but so left for social views that a few Tea Partyers in town won't even say hello to me. geez.

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RobC
Friday, 27 January 2012 11:42:48 GMT

Just for scalewe once played Hide and Seek in Buffy's house and there was about 12 of us.. a few of us hid for nearly an hour.. Massive!!!!!! although they had stopped looking.. not like we were deadly at it.

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Fola
Friday, 27 January 2012 12:46:05 GMT

Interesting1. Blogger or not? Not yet. Like the idea of your travel diary chrism or a foody thing too nika

2. iPhone or Android? Neither yet. Fella works with both...Steve Jobs was the man for style.Wonder what will happen his empire under other peoples hands? So many different androids in all shapes and sizes already.

3. Lefty or Righty? I thought this was a political question. Ive met so few people who would staunchly declare themselves right wing(just a few 'i'm in the middle', which kinda means right wing. Im all for job creation, thats kinda right wing isnt it?)
am right handed.

4. Are you considered working class, middle class or upper class (be honest)
Middle class, though I think culchie middle class are kind of different to city middle class. Many of Dublin 'middle class' friends went to fee-paying schools, which seems upper-class to me! Also, if your house was worth a million during the boom (and worth peanuts now) where does that leave you?

5. What are your ancestor's country/ies of origin? Fathers side defo Irish, originally from Cavan, though settled in Mayo for generations according to local grave yard. Mothers side was traced back to Roscommon on 1911 Census, but when uncle went to trace him, there were 600 people of the same sirname living in Roscommon, according to census records

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Sherri
Friday, 27 January 2012 13:19:57 GMT

oh goodieI thought we were all on vacation here - thanks Marg:
1. Blogger or not? Blogger failure -- I started a blog (called "My Life in Jerry Springer&quot

and literally have not posted one entry -- I started this about two years ago. But hey, there's time for anything. I'm consumed now with playing/learning the ukulele.
2. iPhone or Android? Blackberry (only because it's company supplied) I have iPhone/Android envy
3. Lefty or Righty? Right handed/far left minded but not so far that it reaches the Right -- Fola I believe in job creation too -- I think that's just smart minded

4. Are you considered working class, middle class or upper class (be honest) -- Middle class all the way. Have been around many an upper class person -- I like it where I am though here -- I feel grounded for sure
5. What are your ancestor's country/ies of origin? A mongrel for sure: Irish, Scottish, English, German, French, Dutch, and a trace of Native American

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Fola
Friday, 27 January 2012 16:11:06 GMT

SherriI do wonder what its like to be a right winged person. So rarely meet anyone who would claim to be that way. What do they value. Its easy to see the negatives, the appearant small-mindedness, but what about the positives?

I think I know some working class, middle class and upper class people. The reality in todays world is that the stress of not having enough money seems to bother people from all sectors.

Where I live, positive-minded people seem to be doing better than negative-minded people. (And its hard to be positive all the time... I tend to look at the glass being half-full... and then mourn the loss of the other half

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Nolan
Friday, 27 January 2012 16:45:24 GMT

Fola..know your comment was for Sherri, but must say I have 3 very right wing siblings and it is very distressing. We cannot talk politics. They are as right as I am left, sigh. And, 'nice' people, all. I just don't get it. I see they look to THEIR wallets more than to the 'wallets of humanity' more than I. I think my parents must've finally got it right when I, the youngest, came along. Both parents were Democrats, go figure. Where did my sibs go wrong? They also see helping people as helping them 'too much'... they we take away incentives. Who knows? I do know that if I was truly in need, it would be good to know I had someone/agency to help.

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Sherri
Friday, 27 January 2012 17:13:55 GMT

great questionLiving in Texas, well, what can I say. More "Repugnicans" than Democrats. But liberal/conservative, left/right. These labels get blurred. I'm conservative for instance about the environment: water is a sacred resource here so we do our part to help conserve it. Socially, I'd be more liberal in that I leave it to individual choice versus what society deems as appropriate. I believe in strict gun control laws (where as most Republicans here would be quite liberal with gun control); I believe in limited military; my right counterparts seem to want an infinite budget towards military spending/programs. So yeah, labels don't really seem appropriate. Greed is an evil thing. I know some here who are "right-wing" in terms of politics are so because they are deeply religious and are anti-abortion but oddly enough pro-gun, pro-death, anti-medical care for all (i.e. what Obamacare is trying to do), anti-government regulation for things like corporate taxes, and so on and so forth. So loads of contradictions. I think that's why I choose the more "left-winged" political candidate because their views/platforms are opposite to the ones I just mentioned. Anyway, it's a never-ending discussion. And unfortunately, our system here in America seems to turn into one where it's hard to get united around anything. So now it's really hard to get anything done. And only a few at the top are in control. So I hope to <name your personal deity/supreme being/or just absolute nothing here> the revolution that has started with yes, I'll give them credit, the Tea Party, and now Occupy movement just keeps getting stronger. I really think that our elected leaders have lost touch with what the normal person goes through. So yeah, interesting times indeed.

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Sherri
Friday, 27 January 2012 17:22:40 GMT

NolanMy grandparents are Democrats, staunch Catholics but the JFK loving Democrats. My dad is a Republican but a watered down one. I think why the Republicans say are so attractive to many is that they seem to be the party about "money" -- they don't cut taxes, want people to get rich, rich, rich. I think many people still believe in the American dream of "hard work will pay off" so they look to the party that is going to get them there. I'm not driven by that philosophy. I do believe that we all have to live together as harmonious as we can while we are here on this planet. We need to protect the planet so that future generations can enjoy it like we have. I think this type of philosophy/idealogy or way of life, whatever you call it, leads you to wanting to help your fellow man, wanting to make sure the sick are cared for, the elderly treated with respect in their remaining days, the younger are properly educated. I mean, isn't it the responsibility of society to look after itself and make sure it continues to thrive? Anyway, thank <insert here> there are people who think the same way (and Fola here's my positivity) otherwise I'd give up ...

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Karen in NY
Friday, 27 January 2012 19:43:09 GMT

Ok I'll give it a try!Blogger? No
iPhone or android. Neither but I do have an iPad ! And my little samsung phone is on AT&T so I could upgrade to an iPhone, just don't want the higher phone bills!

Eighty or lefty? Lefty by birth but since my hypoxic brain injury, my left hand doesn't work so well now! So I guess I'm a reluctant righty. Politics wise, I'm a lefty! Surrounded by right wingers, ugh!

Ancestors are from Sweden , Italy on dads side and Slovakia on moms side.

I'm working class but grew up I'm upper middle class! My dad was definitely upper class when he was a boy. He worked in pro football when I was a kid so we were upper middle class.

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Karen in NY
Friday, 27 January 2012 19:43:09 GMT

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Karen in NY
Friday, 27 January 2012 19:46:25 GMT

Oops sorry for the double post!And the typo Righty not eighty!!

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Buffy
Sunday, 29 January 2012 21:38:44 GMT

Rob that game was amazing...that whole weekend was amazing. Will we ever do it again dudes?

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Kez
Monday, 30 January 2012 9:30:10 GMT

A thinker...1. Blogger or not? Not. Although I should

2. iPhone or Android? Android. Can�t justify the expense of an iPhone.

3. Lefty or Righty? Righty handy. Lefty politically.

4. Are you considered working class, middle class or upper class (be honest) Middle, I would say. Although it�s difficult isn�t it. What is it defined by? Education? Living circumstances? Parents� professions? Very interesting question though.

5. What are your ancestor's country/ies of origin? Mother and Father English and Scottish, respectively and both with one Irish grandparent each. I myself was born in Scotland. So a fairly even split between the 3 I think, in terms of ancestry.

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chrism
Monday, 30 January 2012 9:54:15 GMT

right vs leftin party political terms these labels are pretty much meaningless. it always makes me laugh when raving GOP types call obama a socialist! he's not even a social democrat, maybe an old style compassionate conservative at his most extreme: still very much right of centre (though i accept at that he's on the left wing of US politics).

in ireland the government has been led by centre right parties for the entire history of the state (it always seemed to me you couldn't put a fag paper between FF & FG on major social and fiscal issues). i know sinn fein had a big boost at the last election, but it seemed to me they're just seen as an alternative to FF for "proper nationalists" or some such. i hope for everyone's sake i'm wrong but i expect by the next election the collective electorate will have forgotten what bertie, cowan et al did and FF will be back leading the government.

and don't even mention britain! ever since the blairite coup in the labour party the major parties have been fighting over the tiniest scrap of centre-right territory - though granted the tories are proving that was only ever an illusion to con the voters, as they rape public services and pit one group of the disadvantaged against another.

here in scotland, meanwhile, the major parties are fighting over the centre-left ground but with only one politician of note in the country i really fear for what will happen if we get independence: the SNP will be seen as the "natural party of government" for generations (just like FF in ireland) and they'll be able to abandon the centre left ground for the tory territory i believe to be their natural home.

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Fola
Monday, 30 January 2012 13:15:13 GMT

Interesting opinionsabout right, left and hide n seek!

I suppose in Ireland, during the boom, construction Developers were seen as the money-men, and I didnt condemn them totally, because they provided so much work in my industry. I got to work on projects I enjoyed, and some people earned generous salaries, like the humble stone mason who admitted to over a grand a week for a number of years. Should I have been protesting when things were good? That would have been true leftism?

I think the big strength of conservative thinking is wealth/ job creation and empowering of the individual. I am a helper person, prob leftish wing, but see that the left needs the right to create the money to fund the needs of people, who are finding it difficult to support themselves.

From here America does seem more right wing than Europe. However there are the wealthy fundraiser types, who do incredible charity work, and it seems alot more fun than gathering taxes. Essentially its the same end if not a different means. That culture is being forced in here as aid is being cut.

I wonder if Capitalism will 'fail' as many are now saying. It fails the vulnerable, but will governments give up on it someday, like Eastern Europe generally gave up on Communism?

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chrism
Monday, 30 January 2012 14:03:17 GMT

capitalismis a sneaky beast. i expect it to put on some new clothes and trick everybody that it really is the answer to all our problems.

the problem with the american style of support (philanthropic charity rather than state welfare) is that the bill gates' of the world, though his fund does good work in several areas, are not answerable to the public. philanthropists give money to pet projects, many of them very worthy; the state gives money to those who the government perceives to be in need, and if we disagree enough we vote for a different government (or more likely shout about it enough until they give in!).

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Fola
Monday, 30 January 2012 14:20:43 GMT

I d saythe state gives money to pet projects too. And Ireland changed government last year but its still the exact same too. Theory v reality, the kindness and cruelty of humanity always prevails.

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O'know
Monday, 30 January 2012 14:38:58 GMT

I love you 14 year old Dewey CoxWorking Class/Middle Class/Upper class. Very anachronistic question and i don't think its even possible to answer in a modern capitalist society. However, if you did want to use these handles, teaching is not working class it is surely by definition middle class. Farming could be working class if on a subsistence level.

As for right left politically- I always find that hard to describe. I think I'm more of a liberal. Socially my opinions would be liberal but finacially/economically i would be certainly conservative.

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chrism
Monday, 30 January 2012 16:42:38 GMT

fair point folamust be the old school statist leftie in me that wants to believe that central control is the best way to run these things! to be fair though, the state support i'd like to see would mostly be devolved to local levels. centralised government is always going to be too far removed to really see what people need (and when your government is made up of the poshest and richest in society it's beyond hope!!).

o'know: by the definition i used i'd definitely say your average teacher is working class, heads would be middle class and the cut off probably doesn't just kick in at principles but would catch other senior school managers.

farmers, if they own their own farm or employ anyone outside their immediate family would definitely be middle class, and large scale farmers are definitely ruling class.

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observer
Sunday, 05 February 2012 17:30:42 GMT

anachronism of classIt's such an old red herring to say that class definitions are anachronistic or out of date or inapplicable to a modern society. You look at what people do, economically, analyse it, and classify (no pun intended) accordingly. Maybe there's a few slightly harder cases these days, but, really, not that many.

I'm not saying class definitions can be used, by themselves, to justify socialist or Marxist conclusions, but I don't see any cogency to the charge that they're not coherent premises in socialist arguments.